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    VIDEO POKER

    My new game this trip was Deuces Wild. I spent a good part of my winter working on the Dancer's tutor and improving my game. I am playing there at about 99% so I don't have the edge yet, but I am close.
    I did like playing the Deuces at Sam's Town, and find it a delightful game. It seems easier and more comfortable than 10/7 DB. I thought I would get confused and all these many years I have only played one game with some JOB tossed in in some places. However, this game has a higher EV and does not seem to be so volatile, which is better for accumulating points for comps.
    I like it.
    There are full pay machines marked and easy to find right in front of Dunkin' Doughnuts. When the rock hard poker game broke Sunday morning I went to play there and in my session hit four Deuces twice.
    It was incredible!
    Ironically, I only hit a wild card royal once when it was dealt to me. I think I counted missing it by one card about twenty one times. But the Deuces paid and I left with $430 and some profit for the day. I was overjoyed.
    I also think that it generates lots of points. I seem to get stuck in a place for a long while and so I run a good bit of money through the game.
    There are these annoying dry runs of nothing at all. I hate throwing hands away. But the Deuces add some excitement as well. It is nice to have the Dancer software on my computer so I can check types of hands that get me wondering if I am playing correctly or not. I have not broken out the win-loss mathematics for Sam's, but I guess I must be close to even, even with a few losing sessions.

    What I find amazing is that a hundred will last a long, long, long while with little variation. Eventually if no big hands are hit, it will drain away but I get an amazing amount of play on the losses.

    EL CORTEZ

    I played one Deuces game at the El Cortez and some 10/7 DB as well. Compared to past years they have more full pay quarters now than they used to have. The are coin droppers which are fun but sometimes a bit of a hassle. Hand pays also expect a tip, so that subtracts from the EV. Since I hit no royals there this was not a problem for me.
    It was nice to see more full pay available there as I like playing the live poker and some VP play might generate some rooms. It should for my next trip because I lost a good bit of my bankroll at the El Cortez VP.
    I made a mistake and played dollars for a while before I realized it. I was down to about $40, so I put in another hundred and managed to quit even at least on the dollar machine.

    FOUR QUEENS

    The Four Queens has the best 10-7 DB in all of Vegas. Once the progressive royal EV exceeds the EV on Main Street Station scratch cards, this is the absolute best.
    Go to the back end of the casino and find Magnolia's Cafe. Facing it look to the right and along the back wall are the full pay 10/7 Double Bonus Progressive which is the best of its kind in Vegas. On top of the full pay and the progressive you still earn points and get cash back and generate room offers.
    One tip on starting is that you discipline yourself to use the menu carefully and see that you are on the right game. The other games offered are not part of the progressive.
    Another way to find the machines is simply look for the money that was in my wallet a week ago.
    I had the most bizarre session. I actually pumped in a fourth hundred before I started to get positive. Then, in the course of a long session, I managed three times to get Aces. Twice they were dealt to me. But nothing else developed of any value. Full houses seemed out of the question. No royal either, although it was hit twice while I was playing. I left down $179 which I think should generate a few mailers.

    They also had a well marked 9/6 JOB, that is clearly marked at machines in front of the cashier cage. There is a little paper sign on top of the machines.
    I played off my freeplay on this and again hit four Aces for a nice profit of $40 after the freeplay was run through once.
    I came home to two offers from the Four Queens. One is a keen looking three free day and free VP tournament in June. Wish I could go to that. Extra nights are only $24 a night.
    My cashback at the end was $38. So that reduced my losses.
    I talked to a very informative woman (perhaps a manager) at the Player's Club, and she took time with me and told me that when they award comped rooms they take a look at all the play rather than just do a mathematical average. I was wondering if I should play a small amount on my last morning or skip it. Most of the time I try to concentrate my play in one day. Her take was that it did not matter. Of course, that might not be the way it works.

    I played quite a bit, but not one royal came my way. Maybe next time.


    REFLECTIONS:
    I set stop levels generally on the winning and losing side of my play. These are long to meet in Deuces where I found myself stuck at the same dollar amount for a long period of time. This is great for getting comp points as every play generates points.
    I don't like inside straight draws. K-Q-J-A rainbow in games that pay the jacks or better seem logical because there are so many consolation hits. In Deuces it feels illogical. I still do it.
    In DB the hand I least like is drawing to the wheel straight. That seems illogical and rarely hit. I still do that as well.
    Deuces play meant I had to wean my own emotions from the prejudice for high cards. It is hard to think of a poker game in which one can get the same odds by throwing away two aces and playing small pairs.

    At first I got a somewhat warped pleasure from choosing the smaller pair. Then I began to play a gut game where I was trying to psyche out the machine. That is when I realized one other advantage of Deuces. The thing we give up when we play the mathematics of most games is the fun of guessing. There is always a right play. We might decided to eliminate small penalty card decisions, but one play in JOB or DB is never exactly the same mathematically as another. Here is Deuces, when dealt two pair, only one is to be chosen and the odds are the same. So we can make the decision by using our psychic inner connections. What a great subjective game is then added to the usual mathematics. As mathematical as we might like to be, we are mentally programed to make leaps of instinct. Gamblers especially have this part of their beings well developed. In live poker we know that instinct is important, but there the randomness is not total. There is this human element which may well be read subconsciously. In the book Blink, Malcolm Gladwell suggests that in many expert calls, the experts may in a second arrive at a correct analysis, but not be able to "show the proof" as they say in the math class.
    In full pay Deuces there is no valid subjective element, but we can enjoy imagining that it is here as well when deciding on what to do with two pairs, since it costs us nothing in EV.


    I lost pretty big at the El Cortez this trip. They had more coin droppers that were full pay in nickles. 10/7 DB was there and one Deuces that looked playable, although it was not the same pay table as I found in Sam's. Both ate me up.
    The only one I made a profit on was a short pay Deuces that allowed my freeplay. I hit on that, just running the money through once, and ended up with $32 extra on $70 freeplay. the $70 was not profit but tied into the room charge of $120.


    I had a good time playing more video poker than I have in recent trips.
    Where I lost, I seeded for free room offers. I pretty much restrict my play to where I am staying now, so the the consolation of losing is perhaps staying for free next trip.

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    Re: Reflections on the video poker I played in May

    It will be interesting to hear about offers from El Cortez. MSS and Four Queens I have seen in action and they both produce some interesting offers of tournaments and food and free play.

    Please let us know.

    RP

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      Re: Reflections on the video poker I played in May

      It has been awhile since I have played anything much at the El Cortez except live poker and they do not follow live poker players.
      I'll be interested in what I get from them.
      Back in the good ole days, just 1000 points a day (and VP counted $1=1 point) would secure an offer of two rooms over three nights. Those days are gone. And soon the EC may stop being a bargain. Fremont East is in a renaissance and every day the El Cortez gets a more upscale review. Once their pool is in, maybe a year or so, it may be tough to get a deal on Cabana rooms. These too are getting reviewed as a hidden gem in Vegas and the guys from Cheapo are about ready to descend as well.
      But hopefully I will still get something as I expect to spend a bit more time downtown in November than I did the last few trips.
      Watch too for this new angle that I booked last time. I paid $120 for two Cabana weekday nights, and they gave me $70 in freeplay and $50 in food credit, making the rooms, in one sense, free. Anyone could book this on the dates it was offered. I actually booked it on dates that did not appear on the website. I called, and they had those dates coming up. I sure liked the Cabana over the Pavillion rooms. No comparison. So I saved my ACG coupon for November. If I get some comps, I'll still use the coupon and stay downtown more nights. If I can't book that back to back, I'll put the 4 Queens in the middle.
      The casino makes out on this deal because it tends to keep players in the building.
      LV Club did a copycat, but it was a sham. They only kicked back comps once and a two night booking was required. Even though the ad ( a copy cat of the El Cortez ad) showed a room rate of $0, there was no way to get $0.
      In comparison, the EC was totally flexible with the deal. It was supposed to be $35 a night freeplay and yet they loaded it all on right away. It was supposed to be $25 a day food credit and yet as long as I checked out at the desk in person they were happy to adjust my bill so that the $50 of food comp worked right up to check out.
      And get this angle. I go solo. It is hard to eat $50 in food, so I decided to take one night and go to the Flame. I thought I'd have some company, but I could not manage any relatives, traveling board buddies, old poker derrelicts, nobody......... so I had to eat solo. And added to my food comps for $6 I had bought $25 from restaurant.com, and the fine print said I needed to buy two entrees.

      So, I ordered two and nothing else.

      I bought the 20 oz porterhouse (Flame is know for that one) and the Walleyed pike, the best piece of fish I have had this year. With a free coupon from my free room I got a free bottle of wine. And I mean a full bottle of good red wine, not those little two glass jobs. Nice rolls and some sweetbread came with the two entres, and I just skipped sides and everything else. I had asked if I could negotiate and get appetizers and desert to match, but they had to stick with the fine print.
      However, there was no bs about one offer not being accepted in conjunction another. I was able to use my rest.com coupon for $25 and charge the rest to the room to use up my food credit.
      I had a great time, the food was wonderful, and it cost me no extra cash. I was pretty full too.
      And because the EC offer was a good one and flexible, it worked in their favor.
      I dropped about $800 in that casino over my stay.
      In one sense, I went a little on tilt.
      Why?
      Well, Jackie Gaughn who plays poker there every afternoon could tell you why. The casino buttered me up with this Cabana offer, kept me relaxed and happy, and I relaxed and played hard.
      In contrast, as excited as I am about the look of the coming new Plaza rooms, that deceptive advertising put me off. I may stay there, but I don't "feel" the same way that the EC made me feel.
      I think I'm pretty savy and frugal, but just old fashioned Jackie Gaughn like tactics worked better than anything the bean counters and deceptive advertisers might think up to separate me from my cash.
      No tricks at the EC.
      It's just, "One for the money," as Jackie says daily.

      re: 4Q ---- I go to Florida in the winter, and just don't get the postcard mailings from the Four Queens, but there again it is very easy to call, ask for the hosts, and ask anyone who answers if I have any current offers. Frankly, I think this time they used some flexibility they had as hosts, as I can't imagine having gotten two free weekend nights and $20 of freeplay in the mail. These hosts do not sign you up personally as most hosts do. You can talk to whoever answers. And I only play 10.7 DB there.

      I did not play at MSS this past trip. I have gotten free rooms in the past, but more play was required, and although the rooms are a bit nicer in some ways, the slats on the windows let the light bleed in and the train still comes no matter how I try to avoid it, so the rooms are not my favorite. Most important for me is quiet.

      The EC Cabana had slats on the windows as well, but the small bit of light did not seem to bother me. I napped easily there.

      They all have plenty of time to get me in the mailing. I go back in November. I can let you know what they offer me, but calling both the EC and especially the 4Q host line will get you a more personal sense of what you might have earned.

      Also, I posted quite a bit of my last trip in 4 parts on the Trip Report board.
      Last edited by dewey089; 05-27-2011, 06:19 PM.

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      • #4
        Re: Reflections on the video poker I played in May

        Stayed at MSS last fall and didn't know the difference in rooms. We wound up overlooking the expressway and there was some traffic noise but it didn't really disturb us. Understand the other side of the hallway would have been train noise which probably would have been more disturbing.

        Won't you get the same train noise at Plaza?

        Haven't roomed at EC in years but have enjoyed the casino area. Played a few afternoons with Jackie when 7 card stud was the game.

        RP

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        • #5
          Re: Reflections on the video poker I played in May

          I did not get the train noise when I stayed at the Plaza a few years ago. I'll remember to ask for quiet. The rooms look really fine, but I don't get comped there, so I probably won't go next trip.

          The EC still deals seven card stud one morning a week. Same old guys. I think it is Saturday. Jackie now can barely play Hold em'
          At the Plaza he used to play that game where you hold about a dozen cards in your hand.
          I am hoping the Plaza opens a poker room again with a limit game similar to what they had. I liked it there. Fewer local rocks and good high hand payouts. They also gave a good food comp for play that was good for 48 hours.
          Last edited by dewey089; 05-28-2011, 11:02 AM.

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